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		<title>By: edensbirthmomma</title>
		<link>http://birthparents.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/why-won-t-you-listen-to-me/comment-page-1#comment-831</link>
		<dc:creator>edensbirthmomma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that most people today do not understand what is entailed in a truly open adoption. My daughter&#039;s parents realize this as well. We are constantly faced with person appalled that we actually engaged in face-to-face visits with constant phone and email contact in between. I know, it&#039;s unimaginable that just like we choose are life partners and our friends whom we call family that we could actually select our child&#039;s family and choose each other to be one family. Unfathomable. And yet, that is the joy which I share with my daughter and her family. We did not choose simply to place/raise this child. We chose each other. we would stand up for each other and be there for one another just like family. I, for one, am proud to have my daughter&#039;s mom and dad as my family. And no amount of misunderstanding and unwillingness to accept this fact will change the fact that they are my family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that most people today do not understand what is entailed in a truly open adoption. My daughter&#8217;s parents realize this as well. We are constantly faced with person appalled that we actually engaged in face-to-face visits with constant phone and email contact in between. I know, it&#8217;s unimaginable that just like we choose are life partners and our friends whom we call family that we could actually select our child&#8217;s family and choose each other to be one family. Unfathomable. And yet, that is the joy which I share with my daughter and her family. We did not choose simply to place/raise this child. We chose each other. we would stand up for each other and be there for one another just like family. I, for one, am proud to have my daughter&#8217;s mom and dad as my family. And no amount of misunderstanding and unwillingness to accept this fact will change the fact that they are my family.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna Hatfield</title>
		<link>http://birthparents.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/why-won-t-you-listen-to-me/comment-page-1#comment-830</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenna Hatfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John; You are obviously unwilling to even open your mind to things like the easy flow of communication, even on hard topics, commitment and the fact that all birth parents aren&#039;t how you want to view them. Please just move on. You&#039;re continuing to insult my relationship with my daughter&#039;s family and a slew of other birth/adoptive family relationships in the process. Have a really great day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John; You are obviously unwilling to even open your mind to things like the easy flow of communication, even on hard topics, commitment and the fact that all birth parents aren&#8217;t how you want to view them. Please just move on. You&#8217;re continuing to insult my relationship with my daughter&#8217;s family and a slew of other birth/adoptive family relationships in the process. Have a really great day.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://birthparents.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/why-won-t-you-listen-to-me/comment-page-1#comment-829</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenna, you said that you made a commitment to the adoptive parents, what was it?  In your opinion, is it ok for the adoptive parents to say, &#039;I can&#039;t handle this particular subject&#039;?     &lt;br /&gt;
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Wingsofafairy, Jenna&#039;s post seems to imply that she has an almost unlimited right to vent. Do you feel there are any limits that you would expect to be observed?  It sure seems like the birthparent feels a sense of ownership of the adoptive parents.  John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenna, you said that you made a commitment to the adoptive parents, what was it?  In your opinion, is it ok for the adoptive parents to say, &#8216;I can&#8217;t handle this particular subject&#8217;?     </p>
<p>Wingsofafairy, Jenna&#8217;s post seems to imply that she has an almost unlimited right to vent. Do you feel there are any limits that you would expect to be observed?  It sure seems like the birthparent feels a sense of ownership of the adoptive parents.  John</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my son&#039;s first parents placed him with us, and we all agreed to an open adoption, we became family to one another.  They are his family and we are his family, so we are also family to each other.  How can I see that as anything but a lifelong commitment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my son&#8217;s first parents placed him with us, and we all agreed to an open adoption, we became family to one another.  They are his family and we are his family, so we are also family to each other.  How can I see that as anything but a lifelong commitment?</p>
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		<title>By: wingsofafairy</title>
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		<dc:creator>wingsofafairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, hi Jenna!&lt;br /&gt;
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Second, this comment is for John. I am the adoptive mother of Munchkin. And, no, we never agreed to be Jenna&#039;s therapist or &quot;buddy for life&quot;. However, we ARE friends. She&#039;s one of my best friends. As with all friends, I am there for her, whatever the issue. Yes, adoption included.&lt;br /&gt;
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As far as making a committment to Jenna, yes we did. A committment which encompasses everything it means to be Ariana&#039;s parents and everything it means to uphold our MORALS. (Since open adoption isn&#039;t LEGALLY binding)&lt;br /&gt;
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If I needed marital counseling, no, I wouldn&#039;t go to my next door neighbor. They aren&#039;t involved in the marriage at all. I would go to counseling, AND my husband, since you know, he IS involved in the marriage. What purpose would it serve to not let him know about it? Problems can&#039;t be solved without communication and knowledge.&lt;br /&gt;
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OK,I&#039;m rambling.&lt;br /&gt;
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*steps down*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, hi Jenna!</p>
<p>Second, this comment is for John. I am the adoptive mother of Munchkin. And, no, we never agreed to be Jenna&#8217;s therapist or &#8220;buddy for life&#8221;. However, we ARE friends. She&#8217;s one of my best friends. As with all friends, I am there for her, whatever the issue. Yes, adoption included.</p>
<p>As far as making a committment to Jenna, yes we did. A committment which encompasses everything it means to be Ariana&#8217;s parents and everything it means to uphold our MORALS. (Since open adoption isn&#8217;t LEGALLY binding)</p>
<p>If I needed marital counseling, no, I wouldn&#8217;t go to my next door neighbor. They aren&#8217;t involved in the marriage at all. I would go to counseling, AND my husband, since you know, he IS involved in the marriage. What purpose would it serve to not let him know about it? Problems can&#8217;t be solved without communication and knowledge.</p>
<p>OK,I&#8217;m rambling.</p>
<p>*steps down*</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna Hatfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna Hatfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John; welcome to the age of open adoption and either good faith agreements or legally binding open adoptions that are signed by parties. Not only did they make a commitment to me and my daughter but I made a commitment to them. Perhaps you could join us in this era and either accept that your situation is VASTLY different or move along.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John; welcome to the age of open adoption and either good faith agreements or legally binding open adoptions that are signed by parties. Not only did they make a commitment to me and my daughter but I made a commitment to them. Perhaps you could join us in this era and either accept that your situation is VASTLY different or move along.</p>
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		<title>By: erin_d_a</title>
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		<dc:creator>erin_d_a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We made a lifetime commitment to our daughters mother.  We committed to be in her life, and to raise her daughter in the best way we could.  Yes our first commitment lies with our daughter, but we did commit to her mother also.  In fact we turned down a placement because we didn&#039;t feel we could build a relationship with mom.&lt;br /&gt;
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As far as helping her to process her grief, no I&#039;m not sure a professional is always the best option.  Though often (usually) I think that you DO need professional help in processing such a tramatic grief in your life.  But when I went through some pretty major losses, my therapist was great, but often I just wanted my friends and family.  They could and did help me much more in many ways.&lt;br /&gt;
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If we had the financial resources and mom wasn&#039;t getting help anywhere else we would be willing to help her get professional help.  While our first responsibility lies with our family, we also know how important it is TO OUR CHILDREN that our children&#039;s birth families are healthy too.  And if there is a way that we can facilitate that healthiness, we will be happy and willing to do what we can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We made a lifetime commitment to our daughters mother.  We committed to be in her life, and to raise her daughter in the best way we could.  Yes our first commitment lies with our daughter, but we did commit to her mother also.  In fact we turned down a placement because we didn&#8217;t feel we could build a relationship with mom.</p>
<p>As far as helping her to process her grief, no I&#8217;m not sure a professional is always the best option.  Though often (usually) I think that you DO need professional help in processing such a tramatic grief in your life.  But when I went through some pretty major losses, my therapist was great, but often I just wanted my friends and family.  They could and did help me much more in many ways.</p>
<p>If we had the financial resources and mom wasn&#8217;t getting help anywhere else we would be willing to help her get professional help.  While our first responsibility lies with our family, we also know how important it is TO OUR CHILDREN that our children&#8217;s birth families are healthy too.  And if there is a way that we can facilitate that healthiness, we will be happy and willing to do what we can.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jan, I&#039;m glad to provide some laughter.  I actually did think I was being a contrarian.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Jenna, they made a lifetime committment to You??? Wow, that is a strange adoption.  Every adoption I have ever heard of involves the adoptive parents making a lifetime committment to the CHILD.  I think your husband is the one who made the lifetime committment to you.  John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan, I&#8217;m glad to provide some laughter.  I actually did think I was being a contrarian.  </p>
<p>Jenna, they made a lifetime committment to You??? Wow, that is a strange adoption.  Every adoption I have ever heard of involves the adoptive parents making a lifetime committment to the CHILD.  I think your husband is the one who made the lifetime committment to you.  John</p>
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		<title>By: miriam</title>
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		<dc:creator>miriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally understand the point you&#039;re making about it being a lifetime commitment and agree that a family should not go back on that to close an open adoption. &lt;br /&gt;
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What I was questioning is the level of responsibility toward the birthmom specifically regarding her need to &quot;process that grief and loss&quot;. I meant that it seems to me that the people most qualified to have those conversation are your most intimate relationships and professionals. &lt;br /&gt;
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I was not arguing for a family&#039;s right to cease contact, or anything about the lifelong nature of the commitment. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally understand the point you&#8217;re making about it being a lifetime commitment and agree that a family should not go back on that to close an open adoption. </p>
<p>What I was questioning is the level of responsibility toward the birthmom specifically regarding her need to &#8220;process that grief and loss&#8221;. I meant that it seems to me that the people most qualified to have those conversation are your most intimate relationships and professionals. </p>
<p>I was not arguing for a family&#8217;s right to cease contact, or anything about the lifelong nature of the commitment.</p>
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		<title>By: soblessed</title>
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		<dc:creator>soblessed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting post, Jenna.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, in any lifelong committment, communication is essential.  But a few things need to be in place before this type of communication can take place.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.  The concept of an &quot;adoption marriage&quot; needs to be fully explored, and agreed upon, by both parties.  Some parents, be they adoptive or bithparents, may not be comfortable with that level of openness, so here is where good pre-match counseling by a competent worker comes in.&lt;br /&gt;
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2.  Related to number one is a good knowledge of what not just each set of parents&#039;, but each individual parent&#039;s, communication style is.  What seems to one parent to be a reasonable way and amount of information to address the issue of her greiving may be totally overwhelming to another parent.   Not necessarily because they are on &quot;opposite&quot; sides of the fence but because people&#039;s communication styles can be so vastly different.  I know with DH, he often needs time to process something I&#039;ve said.  Even if I&#039;m bursting with angst and the need to &quot;let it out&quot; (which is perfectly valid), I&#039;ve learned that bringing it up again before he&#039;s done processing is not productive (equally valid).  He feels overwhelmed and withdraws, further complicating the original issue.  A good solution for me has been to take the issue in discussion to a close friend or a counselor.  It&#039;s a good compensatory strategy.  My need to let it out and be heard is met while DH&#039;s need to process at his own pace is resolved also.  When he&#039;s ready, we talk and resolve.  Even in the best of marriages exist a need to compensate for others&#039; communication styles.&lt;br /&gt;
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3.  Open communication goes both ways.  Even as birthparents request to be &quot;heard&quot; in their grieving, so too do adoptive parents have their grieving and issues to process.  Hopefully, open communication extends to adoptive parent issues, too, such as:  grief over infertility, the &quot;loss&quot; of a biological child, the constant need to deal with the &quot;s/he looks different&quot; questions in a way that is healthy for both aparent and child, possible difficulty dealing with the closeness and frequent presence of the birthparents, difficulties in parenting styles between the aparents, anxieties over discipline, etc?  I would imagine these scenarios would be as hard for a birthparent to process, especially in connection to her child, as the posted scenario would be for adoptive parents.  Again, there would be a need to respect the listening party&#039;s communication style.&lt;br /&gt;
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And, hopefully, the relationship, like a good marriage, becomes stronger and more resiliant over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting post, Jenna.</p>
<p>Yes, in any lifelong committment, communication is essential.  But a few things need to be in place before this type of communication can take place.</p>
<p>1.  The concept of an &#8220;adoption marriage&#8221; needs to be fully explored, and agreed upon, by both parties.  Some parents, be they adoptive or bithparents, may not be comfortable with that level of openness, so here is where good pre-match counseling by a competent worker comes in.</p>
<p>2.  Related to number one is a good knowledge of what not just each set of parents&#8217;, but each individual parent&#8217;s, communication style is.  What seems to one parent to be a reasonable way and amount of information to address the issue of her greiving may be totally overwhelming to another parent.   Not necessarily because they are on &#8220;opposite&#8221; sides of the fence but because people&#8217;s communication styles can be so vastly different.  I know with DH, he often needs time to process something I&#8217;ve said.  Even if I&#8217;m bursting with angst and the need to &#8220;let it out&#8221; (which is perfectly valid), I&#8217;ve learned that bringing it up again before he&#8217;s done processing is not productive (equally valid).  He feels overwhelmed and withdraws, further complicating the original issue.  A good solution for me has been to take the issue in discussion to a close friend or a counselor.  It&#8217;s a good compensatory strategy.  My need to let it out and be heard is met while DH&#8217;s need to process at his own pace is resolved also.  When he&#8217;s ready, we talk and resolve.  Even in the best of marriages exist a need to compensate for others&#8217; communication styles.</p>
<p>3.  Open communication goes both ways.  Even as birthparents request to be &#8220;heard&#8221; in their grieving, so too do adoptive parents have their grieving and issues to process.  Hopefully, open communication extends to adoptive parent issues, too, such as:  grief over infertility, the &#8220;loss&#8221; of a biological child, the constant need to deal with the &#8220;s/he looks different&#8221; questions in a way that is healthy for both aparent and child, possible difficulty dealing with the closeness and frequent presence of the birthparents, difficulties in parenting styles between the aparents, anxieties over discipline, etc?  I would imagine these scenarios would be as hard for a birthparent to process, especially in connection to her child, as the posted scenario would be for adoptive parents.  Again, there would be a need to respect the listening party&#8217;s communication style.</p>
<p>And, hopefully, the relationship, like a good marriage, becomes stronger and more resiliant over time.</p>
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