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		<title>By: Jenna Hatfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna Hatfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heidi; thank you for your compliments. I didn&#039;t realize this post would be as well-received as it was (which probably makes up for the post that I&#039;m posting today, oh well). I can only hope that the woman you speak of happens across it as well. Attitudes like that sadden me.&lt;br /&gt;
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Nancy; Sometimes I wish God was faster on the uptake with the healing, ya know? ;) Apparently I&#039;m also learning about patience. HA!&lt;br /&gt;
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Julie; Ah, learning about grace daily is something that can benefit us all. It&#039;s not always easy but definitely good. Thank you for your kind words!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi; thank you for your compliments. I didn&#8217;t realize this post would be as well-received as it was (which probably makes up for the post that I&#8217;m posting today, oh well). I can only hope that the woman you speak of happens across it as well. Attitudes like that sadden me.</p>
<p>Nancy; Sometimes I wish God was faster on the uptake with the healing, ya know? <img src='http://birthparents.adoptionblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Apparently I&#8217;m also learning about patience. HA!</p>
<p>Julie; Ah, learning about grace daily is something that can benefit us all. It&#8217;s not always easy but definitely good. Thank you for your kind words!</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenna,&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree...one awesome post!  And exactly the way I feel about free will/predestination.  I&#039;m glad you have been able to realize that He is not asking you to &quot;atone for your sin&quot; but is instead is there to help you through your anger.&lt;br /&gt;
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I can relate to that.  There are days, many days, I want to rage at God that I did not &quot;choose&quot; to parent such a disabled child!  But I did choose to adopt...with all the potential risks inherent to that decision.  LuLu didn&#039;t choose her disabilities either.  But we do choose to keep turning toward God.  So we go on...learning about faith and grace...daily.&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that He wants to use you for a specific purpose for unwed mothers and birthparents.  It will be exciting to watch that unfold!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenna,</p>
<p>I agree&#8230;one awesome post!  And exactly the way I feel about free will/predestination.  I&#8217;m glad you have been able to realize that He is not asking you to &#8220;atone for your sin&#8221; but is instead is there to help you through your anger.</p>
<p>I can relate to that.  There are days, many days, I want to rage at God that I did not &#8220;choose&#8221; to parent such a disabled child!  But I did choose to adopt&#8230;with all the potential risks inherent to that decision.  LuLu didn&#8217;t choose her disabilities either.  But we do choose to keep turning toward God.  So we go on&#8230;learning about faith and grace&#8230;daily.</p>
<p>I agree that He wants to use you for a specific purpose for unwed mothers and birthparents.  It will be exciting to watch that unfold!</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Spoolstra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Spoolstra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ay yay yay... an adoptive mom who prays for more babies to be born? Pul-eeze! That gives adoptive parents a black eye big time!&lt;br /&gt;
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Jenna, this was one awesome post. Your pain touches me so deeply. And I so feel for my daughter and her birthmom... a wound for each that no one can&#039;t heal...except God in His way and His timing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ay yay yay&#8230; an adoptive mom who prays for more babies to be born? Pul-eeze! That gives adoptive parents a black eye big time!</p>
<p>Jenna, this was one awesome post. Your pain touches me so deeply. And I so feel for my daughter and her birthmom&#8230; a wound for each that no one can&#8217;t heal&#8230;except God in His way and His timing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenna,&lt;br /&gt;
thanks so much for sharing this. I too feel strongly that God doesn&#039;t give birthmothers a child in their womb just to satisfy someone else&#039;s desire for a child. &lt;br /&gt;
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I read one adoptive mother who once blithely commented that if China is narrowing who can adopt due to less children available, then she hoped something would happen such as a power outage in China over a few days that would lead to more intercourse and more babies available for adoption. &lt;br /&gt;
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To say I was horrified at her viewpoint would be an understatement and I wondered at the time how many others might feel as she did.  I wish I knew how to contact her to direct her to your blog. You have shared openly and honestly and given me a viewpoint that means much as I ponder what my children&#039;s birthparents must feel. Thanks so much for sharing! &lt;br /&gt;
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Heidi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenna,<br />
thanks so much for sharing this. I too feel strongly that God doesn&#8217;t give birthmothers a child in their womb just to satisfy someone else&#8217;s desire for a child. </p>
<p>I read one adoptive mother who once blithely commented that if China is narrowing who can adopt due to less children available, then she hoped something would happen such as a power outage in China over a few days that would lead to more intercourse and more babies available for adoption. </p>
<p>To say I was horrified at her viewpoint would be an understatement and I wondered at the time how many others might feel as she did.  I wish I knew how to contact her to direct her to your blog. You have shared openly and honestly and given me a viewpoint that means much as I ponder what my children&#8217;s birthparents must feel. Thanks so much for sharing! </p>
<p>Heidi</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna Hatfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna Hatfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theresa; glad to give you something to think about in a different manner. Even in the comments here, I&#039;ve been given a few things to mull over. I&#039;m always learning, not only from others, but from myself as I take a deeper look into myself and my issues. Sometimes it&#039;s hard. Sometimes it doesn&#039;t feel good. But it&#039;s always good to learn. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theresa; glad to give you something to think about in a different manner. Even in the comments here, I&#8217;ve been given a few things to mull over. I&#8217;m always learning, not only from others, but from myself as I take a deeper look into myself and my issues. Sometimes it&#8217;s hard. Sometimes it doesn&#8217;t feel good. But it&#8217;s always good to learn. <img src='http://birthparents.adoptionblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Theresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenna, Thank you for sharing your feelings about your experience.  I really appreciate this article, in particular. I&#039;m definitely learning and gaining more to add to my &quot;think about this another way&quot; bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenna, Thank you for sharing your feelings about your experience.  I really appreciate this article, in particular. I&#8217;m definitely learning and gaining more to add to my &#8220;think about this another way&#8221; bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna Hatfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna Hatfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judy; I like that last line of thinking you just brought up. I&#039;m going to mull it for awhile. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judy; I like that last line of thinking you just brought up. I&#8217;m going to mull it for awhile. <img src='http://birthparents.adoptionblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JudyK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JudyK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes perfect sense to me, Jenna.  &lt;br /&gt;
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I talk about destiny bringing us and Nate together, about God bringing us and Nate together -- but not in the way of Him having Nate&#039;s birth mother go through a pregnancy just to relinquish Nate so that we could then raise her child as ours.  Not in that way at all.  Well, when we were in the difficult waiting period, it was a way of thinking like, &quot;if there&#039;s a child who needs parents, lead us to the one who &#039;belongs&#039; (for lack of a better word) to us and to whom we belong.&quot;  In that way.   I don&#039;t know if that makes sense.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think God can be seen in the relationship that you&#039;ve forged with J and D, in the special family that all of you have formed, in the way that Munchkin understands that she has 2 mommies, in the moments of grace that you feel despite all of the difficulties that adoption brings to you.  That&#039;s how I see God in difficult things.  In the people He&#039;s brought into your life who have blessed your life.  That&#039;s where God has come in.  My opinion, of course.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes perfect sense to me, Jenna.  </p>
<p>I talk about destiny bringing us and Nate together, about God bringing us and Nate together &#8212; but not in the way of Him having Nate&#8217;s birth mother go through a pregnancy just to relinquish Nate so that we could then raise her child as ours.  Not in that way at all.  Well, when we were in the difficult waiting period, it was a way of thinking like, &#8220;if there&#8217;s a child who needs parents, lead us to the one who &#8216;belongs&#8217; (for lack of a better word) to us and to whom we belong.&#8221;  In that way.   I don&#8217;t know if that makes sense.</p>
<p>I think God can be seen in the relationship that you&#8217;ve forged with J and D, in the special family that all of you have formed, in the way that Munchkin understands that she has 2 mommies, in the moments of grace that you feel despite all of the difficulties that adoption brings to you.  That&#8217;s how I see God in difficult things.  In the people He&#8217;s brought into your life who have blessed your life.  That&#8217;s where God has come in.  My opinion, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna Hatfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna Hatfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thomasina; you&#039;ll like my post tomorrow. Or, at least, I think so. &lt;br /&gt;
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momtowidget; thanks. It&#039;s hard to explain. While I felt that I didn&#039;t have a choice, it&#039;s hard to explain free will and how it plays into all of this. It&#039;s confusing to me at times as well and I do, as I said, have my angry (as heck) days. &lt;br /&gt;
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Judy; thanks. :) I think this has been the first time I&#039;ve made legitimate sense out of the subjectry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thomasina; you&#8217;ll like my post tomorrow. Or, at least, I think so. </p>
<p>momtowidget; thanks. It&#8217;s hard to explain. While I felt that I didn&#8217;t have a choice, it&#8217;s hard to explain free will and how it plays into all of this. It&#8217;s confusing to me at times as well and I do, as I said, have my angry (as heck) days. </p>
<p>Judy; thanks. <img src='http://birthparents.adoptionblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I think this has been the first time I&#8217;ve made legitimate sense out of the subjectry.</p>
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		<title>By: thomasina</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomasina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admire your ability to work through this and I am truly happy for you. Your life will be happier than mine has been, I think, because you have arrived at this place and continue to move forward in faith and with as positive an attitude as possible. &lt;br /&gt;
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Let me start by saying that God did not enter into my carrying my pregnancy to term. I gave birth before Roe v. Wade. For the record, I am pro-choice (first trimester only-not partial birth)  and a woman&#039;s right to choose is an issue I weigh heavily when I vote. However, had it been legal in 1970, I don&#039;t know if I would or wouldn&#039;t have chosen to carry the pregnancy to term. If I did, it would have had more to do with wanting the baby and a fantasy that I would be allowed to parent than belief that aborion was wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anent God and placement....I had a relationship with God before I placed and was more religious than most of my family members. However, I believe that God abandoned me (the lights went out) when He/She allowed (despite my fervent prayers and chronic begging God to help me) my parents and the church-based agency I went to for HELP to coerce me to place. There was no free will, no choice in my case.  Frankly, since then, living with the decision others made with me, has been so painful I wished they had just taken the baby and euthanized me. (No I am not suicidal and yes, I have been to therapy...years...and it doesn&#039;t help) I have tried all of my life (and it has been 36 years since I was forced to place) to reconnect with God; to believe God is there for me. I was married in a church; I belonged to a church while the children I parented were growing up; they went to parochial schools; I was a choir director; liturgical dance director, etc. etc. I prayed, I tried, I looked for answers, I did all the right things.  As a La Leche League leader, I devoted a year to supporting an unwed mother with a crisis pregnancy to breastfeed and in otherwise developing parenting skills. I thought this might atone for my sins (whatever they were....was God angry because I had premarital sex or because I didn&#039;t overcome my parents&#039; will and that of the agency and find a way to parent the child He/She gave me?) No good. When my son found me 16 years ago, I did everything in my power to make it up to him (his placement). I&#039;ve tried about everything, but just feel that God walked out on me back in 1970 and never returned. I have not had a happy life except for the wonderful children I parented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admire your ability to work through this and I am truly happy for you. Your life will be happier than mine has been, I think, because you have arrived at this place and continue to move forward in faith and with as positive an attitude as possible. </p>
<p>Let me start by saying that God did not enter into my carrying my pregnancy to term. I gave birth before Roe v. Wade. For the record, I am pro-choice (first trimester only-not partial birth)  and a woman&#8217;s right to choose is an issue I weigh heavily when I vote. However, had it been legal in 1970, I don&#8217;t know if I would or wouldn&#8217;t have chosen to carry the pregnancy to term. If I did, it would have had more to do with wanting the baby and a fantasy that I would be allowed to parent than belief that aborion was wrong.</p>
<p>Anent God and placement&#8230;.I had a relationship with God before I placed and was more religious than most of my family members. However, I believe that God abandoned me (the lights went out) when He/She allowed (despite my fervent prayers and chronic begging God to help me) my parents and the church-based agency I went to for HELP to coerce me to place. There was no free will, no choice in my case.  Frankly, since then, living with the decision others made with me, has been so painful I wished they had just taken the baby and euthanized me. (No I am not suicidal and yes, I have been to therapy&#8230;years&#8230;and it doesn&#8217;t help) I have tried all of my life (and it has been 36 years since I was forced to place) to reconnect with God; to believe God is there for me. I was married in a church; I belonged to a church while the children I parented were growing up; they went to parochial schools; I was a choir director; liturgical dance director, etc. etc. I prayed, I tried, I looked for answers, I did all the right things.  As a La Leche League leader, I devoted a year to supporting an unwed mother with a crisis pregnancy to breastfeed and in otherwise developing parenting skills. I thought this might atone for my sins (whatever they were&#8230;.was God angry because I had premarital sex or because I didn&#8217;t overcome my parents&#8217; will and that of the agency and find a way to parent the child He/She gave me?) No good. When my son found me 16 years ago, I did everything in my power to make it up to him (his placement). I&#8217;ve tried about everything, but just feel that God walked out on me back in 1970 and never returned. I have not had a happy life except for the wonderful children I parented.</p>
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